Montag attacks Beatty. Would you consider this as murder? Why or Why not? How would you have done things differently in this situation?
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When Montag attacks Beatty I would consider it Murder rather than self defense, because Beatty wasn't trying to hurt or kill him. I also think this because although it was in the book, if Montag were on trial he would have no evidence and would be guilty of murder! On the other hand, I understand why it would be considered self defense. Montag was trying to protect himself and Faber from getting hurt in the future. In this situation I probably would have done the same thing as Montag. Beatty was a cruel person who killed people. Beatty also always looked for and towards the government instead of breaking free, and doing his own thing!
I really agree with Dingo66. He like, took the words out of my mouth. It would be murder in legal terms( I know alot about legal terms because my mom works for about 4 lawyers)because Beatty was not threatening,or taking any violent action. Montag was probably going crazy right now though because everything he has was gone. I probably would not have done the same thing because I am tottaly not a violent person. I would probably go completely crazy and develop D.I.D(double identity disorder) to cope.
I wouldn't consider this murder because he was doing it in self defense. Also Beatty was an idiot, so he deserved it. Beatty just did what he was told, and even though he had read before, he decided to burn Montag's house. Why didn't he burn his own house if he read? If I had been in Montag's house, I would have done the same thing, however I wouldn't have burned my house first. Also, I would have burned the other two firemen because they were witnesses.
I pretty much agree with the first people because I think montag just paniked and did not know what to do so he just killed Beatty. I dont think he wanted to but it was the only thing racing through his mind at that point. So ya, i would call it murder. and i dont know what I would have done in the sittuation because I propbably would have panicked to
I agree with Dingo66. Although Beatty deserved it and was a total squash head no one deserves to die. Though i probably would have done the same thing in Montag's postition. I would use self-defense to kill Beatty. I believe that Beatty was once like Faber so maybe they could have changed him later in life. Lastly with Clarisse what comes around goes around, he shouldn't have killed her.
I agree with with Dingo66, I think that when Montag attacked Beatty it was not self defense, it was murder. I think this because Beatty did not try to kill Montag, instead Montag just decided that Beatty wanted to die. Instead of murdering Beatty, I would probably try to get him fired from the fire department because he decided to kill Clarisse just because her house looked sad. I might have also quit my job because I would not want to have to constantly be reminded that I have destroyed people's books, when I read some too.
In this situation I would not consider this murder. I would not consider this murder, because Beatty killed Clarisse. Also it would not be murder if Montag was defending him self. I believe he was defending him self from being arrested. I would have not killed Beatty but severely hurt him almost killing him. I still would have down what Montag did to the other firefighters. I would have also ran far away from the situation. Basically I would have done the same as Montag except for killing Beatty.
I would consider it murder because Beatty wasn't threating Montag like he was going to kil him. I would have done the same thing if someone was taking away my only hope in life.
Actually, I'm not really sure wether it was murder or self-defense. Beatty wasn't physically harming Montag,but he was harming him mentally and emotionally. Maybe it was murder. He only killed Beatty out of rage, But he just wanted to save himself and Faber. In this situation I would've told Faber to leave the area before Beatty took the little green bullet. Although, Montag and Faber would've died in jail, which means it was still sort of self defense.
When Montag attacked Beatty, I considered it murder, just as Dingo66 said. I believe, however, as in most murder cases, I can see both sides of the story. If Montag had not killed Beatty, he could have ended up dead. Then again, he killed someone, which isn't very cool. I think that Montag made himself feel better by telling himself that Beatty had wanted to die, but I don't believe enough time has passed for him to sit down and say, "Wow, I killed somebody today. What could happen to me? Was it really the right thing to do?" I would have handled things differently in this situation by trying to use my words rather than violence. It's the one thing that most humans are great at- talking. I think that it is the perfect way to get a point across. However, if Beatty continued to try to kill me, then I probably would have killed him first. I would resort to this only if he made the first move. It pains me to say it, but I'm a big believer that if you do something in self-defense it's not a crime!
I wouldn't consider this murder because Betty approached Montag. There are no witneses to the murder so no I would not consider thus murder. If I were in this situation I would have whacked Beatty up side the head with the flamethrower. Then I would have done the same to the other two firefighters. I would have told Faber to knock the hound out of the race.
I would defiantly consider Montag killing Beatty murder. He only attacked him because his anger had taken control of him. It was not in self defense because the only thing that was going to happen was him getting arrested, which he deserved because he broke the law. He should have thought of the consequences of breaking the law before he broke it. If I was in Montag's situation I would have just stood and waited for the police to take me away. I would solemnly take on the punishment for my crimes. I would do this even though it is not heroic because I believe that when something is done that is wrong or against the law you must take the consequences for your actions.
Beatty wasn't really a good friend, threatening Montag to locate Faber and penalize them both. However, I strongly believe that absolutely nobody should ever be murdered. Montag had to protect himself, but if he had followed the law or had been more careful about where he put the books, he wouldn't have been caught at all. He made some reckless decisions, such as reading on the subway and to Mildred's friends. However, if he had not done it, he would be killed himself, or at least imprisoned for life. Montag also killed the other firefighters, too. I say that Montag murdered. He made a series of bad decisions that would have landed him in a bad situation anyway, and should not have killed multiple people to protect himself (and Faber, I guess.)
I agree with Dingo66. I think that even though Beatty was provoking Montag, Montag just panicked. Later in the book it said Montag thought Beatty wanted to die. That's probably why Beatty was antagonizing Montag so much. He wanted him to kill him. Even though Beatty had killed other people I think he was finally realizing what he had done and started feeling some remorse.
When Montag killed Beatty, I would consider this murder. Just as rainy said he was acting out of anger and fear. He feltthat he needed to get revenge on Beatty for killing Clarrise. Beatty's antagonisation probably is what sent him over the edge. Plus at the same time there were other firemen ready to fight him. He was also stupid enough to act on the asumption that Beatty wanted to die. Although this could be percived as murder I can also see how it would not be. Technicaly if you feel you are in danger o your life then you have the right to. So it could go either way.
Well of course I would consider it murder. Montag just killed Beatty, it's not like Beatty was going to attack Montag. Now I'm not saying it was bad thing but it was still murder. I probably would have done the saame thing but only because it would've been a last resort.
I think that when Guy killed Beatty he used self defense. Sure Guy broke the law by keeping books in his house, but he had a lot of character to walk the opposite way of the crowd.I think Beatty wanted to die because before Montag was about to let the flames fly out, Beatty just stood there.Also, Beatty never had anything to live for so why would he spend his life in agony? I think Guy was just doing him a favor. If i were in Montags situation I would of just let Beatty live for his sake.
I do consider what Montag did to be murder. I think its murder because if you kill someone it should be a count of murder. There could have been other ways to defend him. In these other ways if no one was killed then it would just be self-defense. Montag could have ran from him and called the police. He could have hidden. Montag could have even fought with him and beat him up so he’d leave him alone. But by killing Beatty, Montag could be put in jail. Even though Montag is the protagonist, he made the mistake of killing the antagonist. So to me it would make good since if he went to jail for murder.
When Montag attacked Beatty, it seemed more of an act of murder than self defence. I say this because there had not been any act of violence towards Montag that may have caused Montag to retaliate. After Beatty pressured and taunted Montag, I could understand how Montag would be aggrivated and attack Beatty. If I had been in that situation, I would not have resorted to a violent action. I think that any violence would cause more trouble than good.
I don’t quite understand the question but I will answer with my understanding and by what I read. In the book Montag had reasons to kill Beatty. Some of the reasons I can think of were not very good. The only good reason is that he killed Clarisse. The fact that he supposedly wanted to die is an okay reason. I don’t know though because I talked about that before with my uncle that are lawyers. I don’t know what was going through his head. I need to keep in mind it is a book though. So, yes I would consider this murder with a purpose. I really don’t know what I would have done because you can imagine things you want to do. Then, when the time comes you chicken out. What I imagine that I would do is pretty much the same thing because it seemed like he had a lot of anger.
I would consider montag guilty of murder when he attacked Beatty.he committed the murder,because of the book. If the book wouldn'thave been involved i don't think he would have killed Beatty. However, i also feel it was a sense of self - defense because he was protecting himself and Faber from being hurt later down the line. I also feel he would get off of murder to man slaughter, if he could put the facts together to prove he was feared for his life and could prove it because Beatty had killed people.
When Montag attacked Beatty, I would consider it self defense. I would consider this self defense because Montag was hurting someone to keep him from attacking his friends. I say this because Beatty killed Clarisse because he thought her house looked sad because they didn't feel the need for parlors or all of the new technology. They felt the need for each other. Montag was keeping Beatty from killing the rest of her family. In this situation, I don't think I would have been able to handle this differently. I only think this because if someone killed my friend, I would want the killer dead. I know this sounds bad, but it's amazing what you will do when you've lost someone so close to you.
I would consider it murder even though it looked like Beatty wanted to die so he wouldn't have to live in the world.I guess it would be a mercy killing but thats still a murder.
When Montag attacks Beatty it is self defense because Beatty was trying to kill him in the first place so why not defend yourself he had two options either be killed or to kill Beatty and if you feel that your life is in danger it is ok to do that
I would consider tis murder in Montag's society, but consider it recless fury in our society. This is because Montag didn't just kill Beatty. He also knocked out two other firemen, and set books in another firemans house so that man's would be set on fire. I probably would have killed and distribueted all the witnesses and evidince, or I would have made it so it looked like someone else did it.
When Montag attacked Beatty, I considered it self-defense. Beatty was about to either kill or arrest him. If I knew I was about to be killed for doing the right thing, I'd burn Beatty, too. Beatty also threatened to get Faber too so Montag had more reasons to kill Beatty. I think I've basically proved my point.
I consider this self-defense. Beatty was threating to kill Montag so he simply fought back. I do think it was a bit harsh that Montag had to kill him but I think it was coming to that anyways. In this situation I would have probably have tried to distract Beatty long enough so that I could escape.
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When Montag attacks Beatty I would consider it Murder rather than self defense, because Beatty wasn't trying to hurt or kill him. I also think this because although it was in the book, if Montag were on trial he would have no evidence and would be guilty of murder! On the other hand, I understand why it would be considered self defense. Montag was trying to protect himself and Faber from getting hurt in the future.
In this situation I probably would have done the same thing as Montag. Beatty was a cruel person who killed people. Beatty also always looked for and towards the government instead of breaking free, and doing his own thing!
When Montag attacks Beatty I would consider it as a murder because Beatty wasn't trying to hurt or kill Montag. (I agree with Dingo66)
I really agree with Dingo66. He like, took the words out of my mouth. It would be murder in legal terms( I know alot about legal terms because my mom works for about 4 lawyers)because Beatty was not threatening,or taking any violent action. Montag was probably going crazy right now though because everything he has was gone. I probably would not have done the same thing because I am tottaly not a violent person. I would probably go completely crazy and develop D.I.D(double identity disorder) to cope.
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if I killed Beatty.
I wouldn't consider this murder because he was doing it in self defense. Also Beatty was an idiot, so he deserved it. Beatty just did what he was told, and even though he had read before, he decided to burn Montag's house. Why didn't he burn his own house if he read? If I had been in Montag's house, I would have done the same thing, however I wouldn't have burned my house first. Also, I would have burned the other two firemen because they were witnesses.
I pretty much agree with the first people because I think montag just paniked and did not know what to do so he just killed Beatty. I dont think he wanted to but it was the only thing racing through his mind at that point. So ya, i would call it murder.
and i dont know what I would have done in the sittuation because I propbably would have panicked to
I agree with Dingo66. Although Beatty deserved it and was a total squash head no one deserves to die. Though i probably would have done the same thing in Montag's postition. I would use self-defense to kill Beatty. I believe that Beatty was once like Faber so maybe they could have changed him later in life. Lastly with Clarisse what comes around goes around, he shouldn't have killed her.
I agree with with Dingo66, I think that when Montag attacked Beatty it was not self defense, it was murder. I think this because Beatty did not try to kill Montag, instead Montag just decided that Beatty wanted to die. Instead of murdering Beatty, I would probably try to get him fired from the fire department because he decided to kill Clarisse just because her house looked sad. I might have also quit my job because I would not want to have to constantly be reminded that I have destroyed people's books, when I read some too.
When Montag killed Captain Beatty I would take that to be murder. I would think he wanted to take revenge because Captain Beatty killed Clarrise.
In this situation I would not consider this murder. I would not consider this murder, because Beatty killed Clarisse. Also it would not be murder if Montag was defending him self. I believe he was defending him self from being arrested. I would have not killed Beatty but severely hurt him almost killing him. I still would have down what Montag did to the other firefighters. I would have also ran far away from the situation. Basically I would have done the same as Montag except for killing Beatty.
I would consider it murder because Beatty wasn't threating Montag like he was going to kil him. I would have done the same thing if someone was taking away my only hope in life.
Actually, I'm not really sure wether it was murder or self-defense. Beatty wasn't physically harming Montag,but he was harming him mentally and emotionally. Maybe it was murder. He only killed Beatty out of rage, But he just wanted to save himself and Faber. In this situation I would've told Faber to leave the area before Beatty took the little green bullet. Although, Montag and Faber would've died in jail, which means it was still sort of self defense.
When Montag attacked Beatty, I considered it murder, just as Dingo66 said. I believe, however, as in most murder cases, I can see both sides of the story. If Montag had not killed Beatty, he could have ended up dead. Then again, he killed someone, which isn't very cool. I think that Montag made himself feel better by telling himself that Beatty had wanted to die, but I don't believe enough time has passed for him to sit down and say, "Wow, I killed somebody today. What could happen to me? Was it really the right thing to do?"
I would have handled things differently in this situation by trying to use my words rather than violence. It's the one thing that most humans are great at- talking. I think that it is the perfect way to get a point across. However, if Beatty continued to try to kill me, then I probably would have killed him first. I would resort to this only if he made the first move. It pains me to say it, but I'm a big believer that if you do something in self-defense it's not a crime!
I wouldn't consider this murder because Betty approached Montag. There are no witneses to the murder so no I would not consider thus murder. If I were in this situation I would have whacked Beatty up side the head with the flamethrower. Then I would have done the same to the other two firefighters. I would have told Faber to knock the hound out of the race.
I would defiantly consider Montag killing Beatty murder. He only attacked him because his anger had taken control of him. It was not in self defense because the only thing that was going to happen was him getting arrested, which he deserved because he broke the law. He should have thought of the consequences of breaking the law before he broke it. If I was in Montag's situation I would have just stood and waited for the police to take me away. I would solemnly take on the punishment for my crimes. I would do this even though it is not heroic because I believe that when something is done that is wrong or against the law you must take the consequences for your actions.
Beatty wasn't really a good friend, threatening Montag to locate Faber and penalize them both. However, I strongly believe that absolutely nobody should ever be murdered. Montag had to protect himself, but if he had followed the law or had been more careful about where he put the books, he wouldn't have been caught at all. He made some reckless decisions, such as reading on the subway and to Mildred's friends. However, if he had not done it, he would be killed himself, or at least imprisoned for life. Montag also killed the other firefighters, too. I say that Montag murdered. He made a series of bad decisions that would have landed him in a bad situation anyway, and should not have killed multiple people to protect himself (and Faber, I guess.)
I agree with Dingo66. I think that even though Beatty was provoking Montag, Montag just panicked. Later in the book it said Montag thought Beatty wanted to die. That's probably why Beatty was antagonizing Montag so much. He wanted him to kill him. Even though Beatty had killed other people I think he was finally realizing what he had done and started feeling some remorse.
When Montag killed Beatty, I would consider this murder. Just as rainy said he was acting out of anger and fear. He feltthat he needed to get revenge on Beatty for killing Clarrise. Beatty's antagonisation probably is what sent him over the edge. Plus at the same time there were other firemen ready to fight him. He was also stupid enough to act on the asumption that Beatty wanted to die. Although this could be percived as murder I can also see how it would not be. Technicaly if you feel you are in danger o your life then you have the right to. So it could go either way.
Well of course I would consider it murder. Montag just killed Beatty, it's not like Beatty was going to attack Montag. Now I'm not saying it was bad thing but it was still murder. I probably would have done the saame thing but only because it would've been a last resort.
I think that when Guy killed Beatty he used self defense. Sure Guy broke the law by keeping books in his house, but he had a lot of character to walk the opposite way of the crowd.I think Beatty wanted to die because before Montag was about to let the flames fly out, Beatty just stood there.Also, Beatty never had anything to live for so why would he spend his life in agony? I think Guy was just doing him a favor. If i were in Montags situation I would of just let Beatty live for his sake.
I do consider what Montag did to be murder. I think its murder because if you kill someone it should be a count of murder. There could have been other ways to defend him. In these other ways if no one was killed then it would just be self-defense. Montag could have ran from him and called the police. He could have hidden. Montag could have even fought with him and beat him up so he’d leave him alone. But by killing Beatty, Montag could be put in jail. Even though Montag is the protagonist, he made the mistake of killing the antagonist. So to me it would make good since if he went to jail for murder.
When Montag attacked Beatty, it seemed more of an act of murder than self defence. I say this because there had not been any act of violence towards Montag that may have caused Montag to retaliate.
After Beatty pressured and taunted Montag, I could understand how Montag would be aggrivated and attack Beatty. If I had been in that situation, I would not have resorted to a violent action. I think that any violence would cause more trouble than good.
I don’t quite understand the question but I will answer with my understanding and by what I read. In the book Montag had reasons to kill Beatty. Some of the reasons I can think of were not very good. The only good reason is that he killed Clarisse. The fact that he supposedly wanted to die is an okay reason. I don’t know though because I talked about that before with my uncle that are lawyers. I don’t know what was going through his head. I need to keep in mind it is a book though. So, yes I would consider this murder with a purpose. I really don’t know what I would have done because you can imagine things you want to do. Then, when the time comes you chicken out. What I imagine that I would do is pretty much the same thing because it seemed like he had a lot of anger.
I would consider montag guilty of murder when he attacked Beatty.he committed the murder,because of the book. If the book wouldn'thave been involved i don't think he would have killed Beatty. However, i also feel it was a sense of self - defense because he was protecting himself and Faber from being hurt later down the line. I also feel he would get off of murder to man slaughter, if he could put the facts together to prove he was feared for his life and could prove it because Beatty had killed people.
When Montag attacked Beatty, I would consider it self defense. I would consider this self defense because Montag was hurting someone to keep him from attacking his friends. I say this because Beatty killed Clarisse because he thought her house looked sad because they didn't feel the need for parlors or all of the new technology. They felt the need for each other. Montag was keeping Beatty from killing the rest of her family. In this situation, I don't think I would have been able to handle this differently. I only think this because if someone killed my friend, I would want the killer dead. I know this sounds bad, but it's amazing what you will do when you've lost someone so close to you.
I would consider it murder even though it looked like Beatty wanted to die so he wouldn't have to live in the world.I guess it would be a mercy killing but thats still a murder.
I would cosider this as self defense because he was provoked. and beatty didnt give him much of an option
When Montag attacks Beatty it is self defense because Beatty was trying to kill him in the first place so why not defend yourself he had two options either be killed or to kill Beatty and if you feel that your life is in danger it is ok to do that
I would consider tis murder in Montag's society, but consider it recless fury in our society. This is because Montag didn't just kill Beatty. He also knocked out two other firemen, and set books in another firemans house so that man's would be set on fire. I probably would have killed and distribueted all the witnesses and evidince, or I would have made it so it looked like someone else did it.
When Montag attacked Beatty, I considered it self-defense. Beatty was about to either kill or arrest him. If I knew I was about to be killed for doing the right thing, I'd burn Beatty, too. Beatty also threatened to get Faber too so Montag had more reasons to kill Beatty. I think I've basically proved my point.
I consider this self-defense. Beatty was threating to kill Montag
so he simply fought back. I do think it was a bit harsh that Montag had to kill him but I think it was coming to that anyways.
In this situation I would have
probably have tried to distract Beatty long enough so that I could escape.
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